Posts by Black Man

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Governing Body Is On Their 'Apostate Warpath' Again

by Cameron_Don in

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will you heed jehovahs.

clear warnings?.

(the watchtower - july 15, 2011).

Black Man

The WTS will regret this. Instead of taking such an arrogant, dictatorial, dogmatic approach, they should try to understand WHY there are so many apostates. Most so-called "Apostates" have been people who have been HURT by members and policies of the WTS. If they were really of GOD, that would be their approach, but like with most cults its about control - hence this ignorant, arrogant fear-mongering.

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June 15th WT - WT Society Pressures JW Parents to Indoctrinate Children

by flipper in

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in a non-study article in the jw only watchtower is an article titled " should youths get baptized ?

" the wt society is losing young people in very large numbers - so how else to try stemming the exodus than putting pressure on jw parents to indoctrinate and instill mind control into their children ?

in one section here in this article it almost sounds like a version of " 20 questions " that the wt society asks parents to determine if their children are making " spiritual progress " as they phrase it.

Black Man

As someone who was dipped in my early teens, this article sickens me. But at the same time I'm happy in that it does seem that young people are leaving the cult in droves. And its so obvious the cult-like manner that these questions are asked:

"2. Is he willing to share the good news with others, or do you have to give him STRONG encouragement to go out in field service and talk at doors? "

Now WHY should a child be getting strong encouragement to knock at doors? Maybe if the WBTS embraced technology and used that and new media as a primary way to try and reach new followers, maybe that would at least have some appeal. Having a kid knock on doors to either get no one at home or someone irritated that they are being bothered is so unnatural. Why are doors still being knocked on in 2011 the age of the internet and new media?

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How could Jesus be ruling the world since 1914 yet Satan is the ruler of the world?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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july 2011 awake (p.5) says: the ruler of this world.

the bible states: the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

(john 12:31; 1 john 5:19) that wicked one is satan the devil, a powerful spirit creature who is described as the ruler of the authority of the air.

Black Man

Can we just go on and admit the extremely flawed logic in this WHOLE doctrine. The whole point of rulership (in addition to governing) is to be recognized as such. Either you're ruling or you aren't. The idea that while Satan controls everything while jesus is ruling in the midst of his enemies with the only evidence of his rulership being a poorly executed and archaic door-to-door marketing campaign is LUDICROUS.

Jesus is ruling, but its an INVISIBLE rulership. Think about that - an INVISIBLE rulership. That's retarded! I might as well say I'm ruling - you just can't see it yet. The WTBS have run out of ideas with this one and the closer we get to 2014 which marks 100 years of kingdom rule, the more ridiculous this sounds. What has this rulership accomplished? If we apply just a smattering of thought and logic to this, we should see that either Jesus needs to be impeached due to not accomplishing NONE of his campaign platform or the idea needs to be expunged from JW dogma/doctrine due to its OBVIOUS inaccuracy.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and their Armageddon Imagery

by whereami in

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jehovah's witnesses have an obsession with the end of the world/armageddon.

this video explores that idea and the effect on the average witness.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdc6wljpxno.

Black Man

Good video and nice insightful dialogue on a topic that is spot-on.

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Issuing a challenge to Jehvoah's Witnesses everywhere

by Terry in

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now is the time (to quote an old kingdom song)..... to challenge jw's everywhere who are pointing to the "difficult times hard to deal with" in the news around the world.

and declaring armageddon is absolutely, positively nigh.. for one thing, they always point to something somewhere, don't they?.

and whatever it is---absolutely means time is short.. but, it is the usual nonsense, bullshit, poppycock over-statement, exaggeration and hype.. call them on it this time!.

Black Man

I had a heated convo with my mother who is still a dyed in the wool JW pioneer about the last days and she was going on how these are indeed the last days. I went into detail about how there have ALWAYS been natural disasters, wars, etc. And she goes into the biggest thing about the last days that has impacted her is how natural love and affection have gotten cooler in the time she has been alive and how people were more affectionate and loving back in the day and that things have gotten considerably worse in that vein today. She also said that living in those times were better than living in these last days.

I then asked her if things were THAT good in the past, please explain to me the slavery of the 1700 and 1800s where african americans had no rights, brought to this country against their will, treated as animals, existed in often deplorable conditions. I stated if WE (me and my mother) were alive back in that time, we would be slaves. How could that possibly be better than today?

She didn't have an answer other than to say that people had manners back then and would have been more respectful. It's incredible what a cult can do to logic and reasoning abilities, ain't it?

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Anyone around from Job Press ~92-96

by NooLight in

looking for anyone who sweated and slaved for tom combs in the press, was it floors 3 and 4?

man its been awhile.. anyway some names i remember:.

tom's lacky dubose stephens; rob hoffman; jerry andrews; frank ??

Black Man

New all those guys and wonder how many of them are doing. Inbox me, I probably know you.

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Why I Don't Believe in God or Organized Religion

by Black Man in

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haven't officially walked away from the cult over a year ago (had been trying to apply a slow fade over a number of years) and now being able to think clearly, i can truly say that organized religion is the epitome of man's arrogance and ignorance.

Black Man

Ok, that first sentence should have read........."Having officially walked away from the cult over a year ago............"

And also, can anybody help me with why all of hieroglyphics appeared before my actual message in the post? Thanks...........

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Why I Don't Believe in God or Organized Religion

by Black Man in

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haven't officially walked away from the cult over a year ago (had been trying to apply a slow fade over a number of years) and now being able to think clearly, i can truly say that organized religion is the epitome of man's arrogance and ignorance.

Black Man

Haven't officially walked away from the cult over a year ago (had been trying to apply a slow fade over a number of years) and now being able to think clearly, I can truly say that organized religion is the epitome of man's ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE.

To think that if God existed and created something as wondrous and vast as the universe, would take the time to micromanage certain people's lives (through religion) is hilariously comical to me, especially when there has never been real, solid evidence of this in history. Also, its obvious that at the time of the origins of religion, it was all in the context that the earth is the focal point of existence, and the scale of the universe was unkown to the primitive people at the time. All of this madness originated when people basically didn't know their elbow from their ass and needed to create explanations for everything they didn't understand.

The great majority of people belong to the religion that their parents and culture belong to, so its almost like, even if the very slim chance that one of these faiths is correct, its coincidence and luck on your part that you belong to it. I call bullshit!

I personally hate the idea that religious people are somewhat more moral than non-religious when all evidence points to the contrary. The most worse people in the world (i.e. - killers, rapists, other psychopathic criminals) almost all consider themselves religious.

The scariest thing to me is that even if religion were correct, it is still BAD FOR HUMANITY. Anything that creates divisiveness and leads us away from all working together creates more suffering than it relieves.

The only thought process that gives us(humans) any hope for the future, is that we are all in this together, and what hurts one person, hurts us all. If that was the de facto belief system of mankind instead of these primitive myth based beliefs that have divided and conquered us, the world would be a much much better place.

I've been thinking about this for awhile now as I've been encountering pressure from all sides of my family as to why I left the cult AND I'm getting some pressure from some of my religious co-workers who recall me being a devout JW and now not being part of the JW treadmill.

So, I'm just articulating my thoughts on this a little more, and am appreciative of forums such as these which let me develop my views without judgement. Anyway, just my 2 cents..............

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Younger JW's Have Never Heard of Jonestown

by WalkTall in

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the other day i was talking to a jw in her 30's and mentioned jonestown and she had no idea what i was talking about.

she had never heard of it.

with all their harping about the dangers of 'false' religion, you would think that jonestown, heaven's gate, and the like would be right up their alley and would be brought up often as examples of why one should never leave the safety of the one true religion.

Black Man

yeah, and they have not heard of 1975 either..........

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The Idiocy of the Universal Sovreignty Issue

by Black Man in

does anyone else have trouble processing the logic behind the wts issue of universal sovreignty?

why empower satan to make claims and give him the time and circumstances to prove his claims?

why have a bet between 2 people decide the fate of the universe?

Black Man

Good point, Jringe01